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Andrea and Hannah explore the world of Tantra, offering a fresh perspective on how to bring spirituality into the bedroom, demystifying this ancient practice and revealing how it can transform self-awareness and your intimate life.
What you'll discover:
The true meaning of Tantra and how it can enhance your sexual experiences and spiritual growth.
Simple yet powerful practices like eye gazing to deepen your intimate connections.
How to overcome sexual blocks and embrace your divine femininity or masculinity.
Practical tips and resources to start your Tantric journey, whether you're single or in a relationship.
The transformative power of Tantra in experiencing pleasure and cultivating sacred connections.
Andrea also shares her personal journey with Tantra, offering a relatable and inspiring perspective on how this practice can enrich your life.
This episode is a treasure trove of wisdom for anyone seeking to explore their erotic energy, enhance their sexual experiences, and cultivate a deeper, more sacred connection with themselves and their partners.
Tune in to 'Lush Love' and let Andrea and Hannah guide you through the transformative power of Tantra."
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Hannah Franklin
Hannah is a neuroscientist and entrepreneur who, like most of us, is curious about sex and how we talk about it. She is very open and has had many deep discussions about sex with her friends, but has always found it a challenge to broach the subject with those she cares most deeply about.
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The Art of Mindful Sex: Level Up and Deepen In with Tantra
Andrea: [00:00:00] Hannah is a good friend who like so many of us is deeply curious about sex, but didn't know who to ask about the more perplexing elements of this human experience. Sex is a topic that rarely gets discussed in ways that actually help us have better experiences. Whatever better looks like to you. Even more rare are opportunities to learn from someone who studied it professionally for years.
That's why Hannah and I decided to record our raw conversations about the intricacies of sex and intimacy and share them with you so that you can explore alongside of us. From practical questions like, how do I talk about sex in a new relationship to more esoteric explorations like what makes sex sacred.
We dive into the beautiful complexity of intimate relationships. This is the Lush [00:01:00] Love podcast, and I am your host, Andrea Balboni. I'd love to hear what our conversation brings up for you. So meet me on Instagram and share your thoughts. And if we don't cover something you're curious about, send me a DM and I'll be sure to address it. For now, sit back and listen in.
Hannah: Hello.
Andrea: Hello again, Hannah.
Hannah: How you doing?
Andrea: Doing pretty good. Yeah, thank you. How about you?
Hannah: Yeah, good. Thank you. I've been so excited for this conversation. We've covered a lot already, but as many of you know, Andrea is an expert in Tantra. Um, I've been dying to deep dive into the world of Tantra, and I guess a really good place to start is what is Tantra?
Andrea: Yeah, so Tantra is an ancient. Philosophy from India from mid, well, [00:02:00] it's uh, from medieval India, so not quite ancient, but we think of it as as old anyway. And we have, it's been brought to the west oh, pretty relatively recently to be reinterpreted, let's say. And from the classical version. Into what we know as neo tantra now.
So most of the tantra that you will learn and hear about, uh, is actually neo tantra. And it is however. In my experience, it carries forward into the now from what was the original philosophy stuff that we, that really serves us today, especially when we talk about sex and sexuality and our experience of sex.
So tantra as a philosophy, sex and sexuality is just one tiny fraction of a vast. Uh, a vast philosophy, way of life, way of being in the world. Uh, so what we have been passed, um, [00:03:00] passed down is just one little tiny slice of it. However, I find that a really, very helpful slice considering all of the conversation that we've had about.
How, um, how we experience sex today. How we experience the energy of the erotic, the energy of desire turn on in our bodies, how we experience relationships today that tantra has really served, can serve us well. It certainly helped me to reinterpret and, um, create new frames around how I see myself as a sexual being in the world.
As a, as a woman in this world, someone who identifies as a woman, and also how I think about sex and how it integrates with, uh, with my life and with my experience here, um, on the planet. So it is sacred sex. It is beautiful. And [00:04:00] it's definitely, uh, practical in that the philosophy has been kind of interpreted in ways that you can practice tantric sex, you can practice tantra, um, and practice the philosophies through, uh, through your sexuality, through your relationships. So does that make sense?
Hannah: Yeah. I guess I'm kind of keen to hear a bit more about like what in practice, tantra tantric sex, you know, looks like, feels like, sounds like. If you could share a bit more.
Andrea: Yeah. Really simply, it's bringing mindfulness and awareness to sex. It's like the most simple version, so it's slowing down.
It's bringing a lot of presence and a lot of awareness to the bedroom, to what you're experiencing in your own body and with another person. So [00:05:00] really, really simply put it is, it is exactly that, bringing mindfulness and presence and awareness to an area of life and lived experience that we don't always come to, uh, with such.
Kind of curiosity, I would say. And openness and acceptance, which is what mindfulness and compassionate inquiry, one of the gifts of, of those practices. So bringing that stuff into the bedroom completely shifts how you experience, or at least I'll speak for myself and the people who, uh, who I know that practice.
Tantra in this way, in this, in this context of relationship, in the context of intimacy, how it's shifted, how we experience ourselves, um, as sexual beings, the relationships that we have with, um, with others that we're intimate with and with ourselves on an intimate model. So, yeah.
Hannah: Beautiful. Um, [00:06:00] I guess like it would be great to.
Try to understand like what are some of the practices of tantra? You know how if I was to. Say, okay, I want to give it a go. Like, I want to try, I, I dunno much about it, but I want to see if maybe that, you know, for our listeners that resonated with the first and the second episode of like, how to talk about sex in the early stages.
Maybe we can try tantra or things have dried out a little bit. Or I want to talk about sex with my partner. Maybe we could try tantra. Maybe that's something that could spice things up a bit. Like how would you go about starting that process?
Andrea: Yeah. So bringing that, um, kind of awareness and presence to an, a connection with another person.
I'll give kind of like a practical example and we spoke about a practice that you've tried and done with your partner that sounds really simple and is actually quite challenging and profound at the same time that a lot of people in [00:07:00] neo tantric circles will practice. And this is the one of, uh, eye gazing or sometimes.
Soul gazing depends on how you learn the practice, and it really is just sitting across from another person and holding their gaze with a soft focus. So it oftentimes brings up a lot of kind of nervous laughter or laughter with people because we're not used to being considered. So much and staying with another person in this way.
So the depth of connection that happens just by not speaking and sitting in another person's presence with focus, a soft focus on them through eye gazing, so basically staring into their eyes. Uh and we only physically actually can look in one eye at a time.
Hannah: Yeah. Which is very weird.
Andrea: Which is a little bit weird. And when you start, so when you start the practice, it's all like, really, can I, can I see the eye?
Hannah: That’s [00:08:00] definitely something I experienced. I was like, I, I, how am I supposed to do this when I can only look at one eye? Yeah, yeah. Definitely.
Andrea: And there's also kind of like something I, I say with all of these things, their practices and experiences to try out keeping what works and letting go of the rest. So also, I can speak about things and share experience, but really it's your own experience of the practice.
And what you might. Um, learn from it. What might surface for you that will determine whether you are like, yeah, I'm buying this stuff, it really works for me, or actually this is, you know, bs I'm outta here. Um.
Hannah: So you can kind of create your own version of it based on finding a deeper connection with your partner. Is that…
Andrea: Sure.
Hannah: Is that okay?
Andrea: Why not?
Hannah: Okay.
Andrea: Yeah.
Hannah: Okay.
Andrea: Yeah. Um, so with soul gazing or with eye gazing. It is such a curious thing to practice that and notice how your experience of [00:09:00] the other person may, um, shift or you'll see into things that you haven't seen before. So this deeper connection on levels other than just the material or physical is one aspect of what makes, uh, this.
We'll call it sex, uh, or intimacy. Feel a bit more sacred. Somehow you feel like you're seeing into another person, into-me-see, intimacy. You're seeing into another person in a way that maybe you haven't before because you haven't. Necessarily sat there and taken the time and then completely present in you and have the other person also be present with you and you be present with the other person in quite this way.
Hannah: Mm. I love that. Into-me-see, I've never heard that before.
Andrea: Yeah. Intimacy. Yeah. It's a beautiful way of kind of considering intimacy. And oftentimes [00:10:00] how in the the schools and the places where I've learned tantra things are framed, is what we are inviting ourselves to see in the other person are the aspects in them that are divine.
So the aspects of you that are, uh, some people use the word goddess, some people will use the words cosmic. Some people will use the word kind of, um, the spirit or the sacred within you we're choosing to see and focus on and get curious about the aspects and element of elements of that person. That are sacred, that are divine, that part of us, that is all that there is, all that is, that is connected always to universal consciousness.
So this is where it gets really mystical. And for people who practice spirituality or interested in expanding awareness or levels of um, their own. Um, exploring different levels of [00:11:00] consciousness or ways of seeing, ways of perceiving, perceiving ways of being in the world. The vehicle of these practices, uh, I would say when they're relational, but you can also work individually within yourself.
Seeing inside of yourself into-me-see, seeing into myself as well, works both ways, will have this effect of expanding how you experience the world. Expanding them, therefore, if you will, uh, awareness, expanding consciousness, expanding, um, the, the landscape within which you experience the other.
Hannah: Mm. God, that's really beautiful.
And actually, as you were talking and, and you were using terminology spirit and, and. I think energy is another really good one. You know, I think from my personal experience, I felt energetically connected to my partner in a way that, in touching what we've discussed previously, like you kind of, you know, when you start with eye gazing and you've got this nervous laughter [00:12:00] and energy, and it's weird, you know, it's not a natural thing to stare at anyone, like for, for however many minutes or whatever.
But it is kind of like a purge. Of the facade, you know, and letting go of like, I'm trying to be a certain way to please you. It's kind of like stripping down your most authentic goddess or whatever that is, and connecting energetically to the point. You can actually be the rawest form of yourself.
Andrea: Which is why it's terrifying. Which is why this extremely simple practice is a very advanced practice. If you are able to let the masks down and allow yourself to be seen, even as you're seeing other. Vulnerability. I mean, it's, it's one of the most vulnerable kind of spaces that you can sit in when you are allowing yourself to be seen in that very raw way, you're letting your soul be seen almost.
So it's, [00:13:00] um, again, one of the most. Simple practices to hold for and, and terrifying. And so when I explained to a couple, okay, we're gonna do this practice and it's gonna sound really easy, and it's also no, that it's very, can be very challenging. Then they're like, okay, yeah. And then we begin the practice and it actually is quite Wow.
Okay. A lot's coming up and you'll know, um, also on another level, uh, as a neuroscientist, what. Holding someone's gaze for those extra few moments can do for nervous system alignment, for attunement, for connection in a very kind of scientific way, like in a very, um. You know, biological way, this is probably more your domain than mine.
Uh, so I'm not sure quite the right terminology to use, but when our nervous systems come into attunement with one another, there's definitely an experience of much more connection because we're kind of vibing in the same frequency. [00:14:00] And so a practice like eye gazing or feeling each other's breath or feeling each other's, um, heart energy in this.
This another practice that, that we do helps us to feel more connected to the person because our nervous systems are coming into, um, attunement with one another, and we can help regulate each other and feel more safe and more calm within the presence of another because we've both come into frequency. Um, and laboratory.
Hannah: I mean, it's so, so powerful. Um, I guess I'm trying to think into the minds of people listening and what I think they might be asking is, so where does the sex come in? You know, because that's a powerful practice and potentially something that you could do with a friend or, you know, it's, it's, it's sort of just like taking a minute, connecting.
You know, finding a sort of mutual frequency, um, but how does that improve sex or how does that [00:15:00] translate to sex?
Andrea: Just before we, before I answer that, you can also do that eye gazing practice in the mirror as well, and when there's an ancient way of doing the practice. I think it may be shamanic. I don't wanna say, I'm pretty sure you are holding a candle, so you have some light
Hannah: Okay.
Andrea: where you can see, but with the darkness and the mirror and some light, you're looking into your own soul and you're seeing what's there behind the masks that you're carrying.
And so it's also a very. It's mesmerizing a way of connecting with your own self in parts of you that haven't been seen by your own self. So I would, I would definitely recommend trying that one out.
Hannah: Yeah.
Andrea: And it also helps you to be able, especially if you're in a avoidant kind of verse, attacher, then it helps you to practice.
Being seen first by yourself. And if you can see yourself and know your, the [00:16:00] depths of your own soul, it's more easy, uh, over time to let other people see that as well. You feel safer within yourself, knowing yourself differently, and can allow yourself to be seen just a little bit more easily as well. So.
Hannah: So Tantra's, not just about sex.
Andrea: Absolutely.
Hannah: Well there you go. I think that's probably a, a common misunderstanding of what tantra means.
Andrea: Yeah. However, you could argue intimacy is a form of connection and intimacy. Is what we're building with the practice that we just described. And allowing someone in that close is also, um, what shifts in experience of them coming together for sex entirely.
So if you do the eye gazing practice before you then have sex, your experience of sex is completely different than if you've never done that before. And I would say try to believe [00:17:00] it, but, um. My own personal experience and working with people, it's a hundred percent shifts. How you experience that, that connection in sex.
So even indirectly, even if you're not applying tantra to a sexual, like the act of having sex, which I'll talk to speak to in a minute, that just that practice being seen in this way, being held in this way. Having that person look to what in you is our, um. Other states of, of being, that are maybe more spiritual or less, uh, visceral and more energetic.
Allow you also to expand into those spaces when you are having sex. And hold yourself in those spaces when you are having sex. So that is one kind of indirect way, how you work with the sacred when you are actually having sex. Does have a lot to do, um, [00:18:00] with the energy exchange that happens and beginning to work in a very conscious way, in a very focused way, and in a very intentional way with erotic energy.
The energy of turnon with the energy of raw desire. Um, so as you begin to work with this energy, which you could think of as orgasmic energy or the energy of pleasure, the or energy of, of bliss, the experience of bliss in your body. It's a, it can be a physical, um. Experience and sensation, but it also is an energetic one.
And as you begin to cultivate an awareness of this, and I don’t know if mastery is quite the word, but you equip yourself with the ability to move this energy through your body through different practices, then that energy you in sex when you're building that energy through. [00:19:00] Intercourse or through connecting sexually or even sensually or even just energetically without even.
Touching one another. It is erotic energy that you're working with. You're intentional on, um, the quality of that energy that comes from your sex center and moving that energy through your body. And when you practice with another, experiencing their energy as well. So there's an energetic exchange that's happening as you are experiencing.
Um, it could be intercourse or it could just be working with the energy. So it expands the definition of sex and what we know sex to be into what I think is a more accurate experience of, um, of sex, which is it is also energetic. It can also be emotional, um, energy and the energy of emotion that's connected with when we're connecting with someone specifically in this way. [00:20:00]
But it is a, um. Another element rather than just a physical coming together that is erotic, that is sexual. Sexual, if you will, that is sensual for sure. Um, and it's, and it's beautiful creative life force energy that when the intentionality behind it comes from a place of, um, well, it depends on, on what you're intending with it, uh, of connection of love.
Of an experience, of openness, of curiosity, then can absolutely 100% feel sacred because it is a part of us that is sacred.
Hannah: It's like unlocking, it's like leveling, entering into a new dimension, really.
Andrea: Yeah
Hannah: In a way.
Andrea: Yeah.
Hannah: And I'd be interested to know, you know. Who would you recommend Tantra to specifically if they hadn't already considered it? [00:21:00]
And I guess I was also thinking about, we were talking before about having a bit of a mental block when it comes to sex, feeling disconnected, and that could be for, for various reasons. Do you think that Tantra would sort of help. Alleviate people of this sort of mental barrier when it comes to sex and fulfilling their, you know, pleasure and, and things like that. Do you think Tantra could help those people?
Andrea: Definitely. It's so it's helped. It's helped me move through a lot of blockers, especially I would say, belief structures that were conditioned in from society and culture being pretty sex negative from religion, from, um, media, from family. Stuff that gets inherited and kind of like packed in, um, programmed in.
So Tantra helped me to reframe this whole thing that sex is something that is sacred and natural and uh, and beautiful. And, and [00:22:00] pure of expression when the intentionality behind it is clean and clear. It doesn't have to be something that's shameful. It's certainly isn't…
Hannah: Dirty.
Andrea: Dirty. Yeah. Or cheap or, um, wrong when it's in right context with Right, uh, kind of intentionality behind it.
So when we are blocked on experiencing the pleasure we would love to experience, or an experience of sex in our, or of our sexuality, our expression of who we are, then I find that the reframe of tantra, that sex is sacred, that we are divine beings inhabiting a human body that we are, um, there are beautiful things about being in the energy of yin.
AKA, the feminine and beautiful things about being in the energy of yang, AKA, the masculine and that expression of both within each [00:23:00] human, uh, no matter whom they are, is something to be celebrated and lived can help us move through a lot of the blockers that we have around if you're saying sex is shameful or it's not good to be receptive and empathetic, um, because there's so much kind of piled on, it's getting better.
But especially yin energy and or being, and let's say. Feminine. It's, it's not a gendered thing. It's more about the energetics of, of that, um, that tantra can help, uh, us expand the experience of ourselves. So in our last conversation, you brought up this point of women who are in business and the business world and professional and executing and focused and doing all the wonderful things and.
Being productive and even creative and innovative. A lot of that energy falls into yang. So it falls into the space of Yang doing, which is great, doing action, [00:24:00] action oriented, assertive. All really super valuable.
Hannah: Masculine energy, yeah.
Andrea: However, mostly in this masculine space. And so what happens when we also, and so the yin that we get to experience or the feminine within us gets shrunk to kind of a little tiny portion when we're in our, with our girlfriends and we're laughing and, you know, joyful and just being so.
Hannah: We're having this conversation.
Andrea: We're having this conversation. Yeah. Um, it gets lost and we also lose. Or, or, or maybe don't realize that we can step into either space at any time. And so if you are, have been alienated from the yin space, which happens a lot in the world that we live in, because the yin has been so pushed into the shadow and devalued, then we feel disempowered as women.
Um, it's really tough to say, okay, I'm gonna choose to step into that space and feel empowered. It's like I'm now…
Hannah: It’s like you’re [00:25:00] cheating on yourself. In a way.
Andrea: Yeah. Or how can I be. Take me Or how can, can I be receptive? Or how can I just um, step back from the go, go, go and just allow for things to come?
How is that powerful? Because you gotta do to make it happen, and you've gotta take action to make things happen. And yes, there's truth to that and there's also what happens in the void. Or what happens in the downtime or what happens in order for anyone to be creative or innovative? What happens when we, when we step back and allow, and the gift of receiving?
If you wanna give a gift to someone, how does it feel? And they say, no. No thanks. 'cause that person can't receive. So the gift that receiving is and allowing someone to give 'cause they want to. And it feels good to 'em to give. Um, so for you to be able to really receive and to not, and again, what do we make it mean?
So what do we make it mean if in the relationship that we have with our partners, sometimes we just want to be. [00:26:00] Receiving. We want the door held open or we want the to be the one who receives, um, receives gifts or receives love. And what does does that mean? Now I'm completely. I can sing so many different labels.
I'm now a kept woman. I'm no longer independent. I've lost my, my spirit, I've lost my power. I've given up everything to the other person. It's like, okay, that's one way to see it. And another way to see it is for, um, I'm choosing to step into this space so that someone gets the gift of having something that wants to be given received.
It's no fun being someone who gives for someone who doesn't ever wanna receive, or I'm gonna give myself the gift now of just taking it easy and having some downtime and seeing what flows through me. I'm gonna have some play, I'm gonna have some creative time, and what does that do for me? And so tantra.
Has really helped me [00:27:00] to value the yin again, to value the parts of me that want rest or that need space that are creative, that want to be spontaneous, that want unstructured time for play. That want to not have to worry about productivity for a minute and just enjoy a moment with someone or uh, time with friends to step back and say that may, that has meaning too.
That has purpose too. That has a place to that just because, or maybe because I am able to step back and receive. And create space for someone to come towards me, uh, or for someone to be heard in a certain way. There's so much power in that. There's so much power and beauty in that, and it's a different way that we think of power and consider power, um, or being empowered.
I, I, it's probably, maybe I'm still playing with this, but it's being empowered, um, rather than disempowered [00:28:00] by being in that, in that, in that way and that softness and the gentleness and the empathy and compassion, which I'm not saying that women are the ones who own that space. It's that energy within any human, any person that in the society and culture that we live in, hasn't been as recognized or acknowledged as something that is powerful and generative, which is absolutely what it's so when we can be empathetic and compassionate, it's generative.
It gives energy to us. It creates space for things to be creative. It allows all the different expressions, uh, and ways of being in the world to come forward. So it almost sounds silly to not be that way and just…
Hannah: Totally. Everyone should be doing it.
Andrea: And yet, yeah. And yet it's a form of leadership that we don't often, um, often see and have.
You know, sometimes we do have yet to really live [00:29:00] fully, um, and, and, and try out to have it to have. Yes, I would say yes. There are certain people who have certain leaders who have, and, um. And, they're right now, it's, it's difficult to kind of see them.
Hannah: Sure. So just to kind of, um, wrap things up a little bit, I guess one, it would be great if you had sort of like, if you could summarize the value of tantra in, you know, a few words.
For the listeners, that would be amazing. And also if you have any books or resources that you would recommend or your own sort of interpretations that people could refer to.
Andrea: Yeah.
Hannah: If you could share those.
Andrea: For sure. So Tantra is, so I know you've gone, we've went really philosophical there.
Hannah: Yeah.
Andrea: And I've kind of gone woo, I've drifted way far away from, um, kind of like the initial question.
So, [00:30:00] uh, to kind of bring it back, you know, bring ourselves back that, um, there's so much more to be experienced in, in sex and pleasure, uh, that tantra opens the door to. And when you have someone to guide you. Um, because a lot of it is, you can experience a lot of it by, there's urban tantra I was telling you about by a book, by, um, Barbara Carrellas.
I'm not sure I'm saying her name properly. That's great. Diana Richardson's books are great. The, um, multi-orgasmic man, multi-orgasmic women, multi-orgasmic couple books are great. There are a lot of resources out there where you can learn more about being in the place. I certainly teach it in the coaching that I do, and I have an intro to Tantra.
Um, PDF as well that people can, can download and there's some practices in there to get started with. So there are actually a lot of ways to access very [00:31:00] practical ways to begin the journey, um, into being, bringing presence and awareness and expanding experiences of pleasure and bliss in your body and in your being.
For sure. And, um, and yeah, so Tantra really opens the door, the gate, it's a gateway into a more embodied. Experience of pleasure in wider states of bliss. So it's not that everything is out here and floating in energetic fields, and it's also very much about through the body and in the body experiencing also the expanded states.
So, mm, the multiorgasmic kind of. Practice. You can learn to be multiorgasmic, for example, as a man, as a woman in anybody. Um, can learn how to expand pleasure in that way. And extended states of, of bliss are [00:32:00] absolutely possible. And, um. Yeah, just lengthening and, and deepening into pleasure in, in whole new ways are some of the gifts definitely of practicing tantra.
Hannah: Super powerful and also beyond having multiple orgasms, which is fantastic.
Um, what I really loved that you mentioned earlier is actually that this is a practice that you can do alone. You know, I think it's, it's beautiful to share with someone in a relationship to sort of, um, connect spiritually and unlock this new potential. But I love what you said about staring in the mirror and seeing a different version of yourself.
And how I was hearing that is actually, that could unlock so many things just in everyday life and how we see ourselves, you know, imposter syndrome and how tough we are on ourselves as, you know, not just women, but, you know, I know that that's a, a big problem. And I think that's something I've never thought about.
That's definitely been an education for me, that [00:33:00] tantra is not just sex. You know, it's not just a sex practice. It's something that can enrich a sexual experience, but it's just also enriching for you, for your soul, and for everyday life really.
Andrea: And so when I first started practicing Tantra, I was in, um, yeah, for three years in a school where I was single the whole time and pretty much practiced on my own.
So a lot, even the energy work of working with erotic energy and moving it through your body and experiencing extent kind of extended and expanded states of orgasmic pleasure and bliss is absolutely a practice. In fact…
Hannah: How are we talking?
Andrea: As long as you want it. Some people for days, some people…
Hannah: Oh my God, that sounds exhausting.
Andrea: Yeah, so, well, it is until you learn to work with that energy, because the energy is regenerative and it's, um, yeah, it's coming from source really. So it's not necessarily like you're not, it's. [00:34:00] Also more subtle as well. Like it's more subtle, the energy that you're connecting with. Not always. It's also fire and fierce.
Hannah: Well, I feel like I wanna say tune in for a future episode to learn how to have a three day walk.
Andrea: Totally up to you how long you want it to last. But uh, yeah, those expanded states can last for, for, and, and when you learn how to tap into the energy and move it, you can really tap into it at any time and move it and expand on it.
And, um. Yeah, and experience it and channel it into endeavors in life. You can channel it into work, you can channel it into life. It can be, it can be kind of applied in, in many different spaces and places, but knowing your body and knowing how the energy works within you is what almost it, well, I would say it's, it's often what I do first with even with couples.
So within each individual, are you able to understand how this energy moves? Are you able to experience it? How is your body responding? What's going on for you? [00:35:00] And now we're gonna introduce in the other person. And they're gonna begin to tune into their energy now that we know yours. Now that you know what's happening within you, it's really difficult to kinda…
Hannah: And you’re not just thinking about your energy in the context of the other person.
Andrea: Exactly. As well.
Hannah: Yeah.
Andrea: Yeah. And this is where the mastery comes in. When you do feel mastery with your body, where you do really understand how that energy works. Within you, then you more easily can connect with another person and what they're experiencing while staying connected with yours, your experience.
So it helps with that too, which I know we spoke about, I can't remember if it was in episode two or one, but that experience as staying with your experience as much as you're also staying present too, and aware of the other person's experience as well, so it becomes more of a play. Between you and the dance in this way, then…
Hannah: I like that [00:36:00] dance.
Andrea: It is, it's lovely.
Hannah: Well, thank you so, so much. Wow. Like what a conversation. I've learned so much and I think everyone else has too, and I can't wait to. Continue this conversation and, and there's so many things that I wanna ask, but I guess we've gotta wrap things up. But thank you so, so much and we'll share all the links and books and things in, in the description, so thank you so much.
Andrea: Thank you. Enjoy.
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